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Poster: MrMovie Date: Oct 26, 2008 4:32pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Does Anyone Know What This Means???

While checking a film title on the U.S. Copyright Website, I came across this:

Type of Work: Recorded Document
Document Number: V2304P136
Date of Recordation: 1987-12-08
Entire Copyright Document: V2304 P1-211
Registration Number Not Verified: LP9666 (1940)
Title: Passport to Alcatraz / LP9666 (1940)

When entering the TITLE of the film and doing a specific search using Key Word: MOTION PICTURES it comes up as "NO SUCH LISTING EXISTS" Also, this specifically states that the Document Number refers to a RECORDED DOCUMENT and NOT a motion picture.

My Question: Does this entry mean that because the registration number in Not Verified and the film title does not appear under motion pictures when doing a specific search for the movie title that the work is in the Public Domain?

If anyone can decipher this, it will be most appreciated. Thanks!

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Poster: k-otic Date: Oct 27, 2008 4:25am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know What This Means???

If you follow those links provided with the Document V2304P136 you`ll find that it is a bulk transfer list (Definition: The sale of all or most of a company's inventory or other assets to another company).
It looks like that in 1987 Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc was going to be renamed to C T I Holdings, Inc But there is no indication that this actual happened (at least i can`t find any)

About your question .. NO ..(not really)

The fact that your title shows up in such a bulk transfer list indicates that Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc assumed that this title is still part of their "inventory"

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Poster: MrMovie Date: Oct 27, 2008 10:55am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know What This Means???

..The fact that your title shows up in such a bulk transfer list indicates that Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc assumed that this title is still part of their "inventory"

This is a very good point. However, if they (Columbia Pictures) is only assuming that it is still part of their inventory and the registration number is not verified then wouldn't the actual copyright status of this film be in question? I can't see how an assumption of ownership grants copyright status under the law. Doesn't one have prove copyright and not assume it is when they don't even know for sure? Finally, just because it shows up on a recorded document and no such title actually exists as a copyrighted motion picture lend some doubts to its status? I wonder how something like this would be challenged?

I can hear the defense attorney now: "It's on a recorded document, the registration number is not verified, you (Mr. Columbia Pictures) are assuming it is still copyrighted and yet, the title of the film does not show up in the copyright office datebase as a known listing of copyrighted motion pictures."

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Poster: k-otic Date: Oct 27, 2008 2:23pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know What This Means???

I was just trying to decipher your search result :)

anyways....

Due the very limited research option, the search for copyright renewals at the Library of Congress Copyright Database provides only valid results for works made from 1950 to 1963, it is extremely hard to prove that this title (or any other title) is in the public domain by just using this one source alone.
So all i say is that if there is no other source saying this title is public domain .. it is most unlikely

All we know for sure is that Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc once had the copyright on that title
If they did renewed it .. only grandmas crystal ball knows

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Poster: RadioFreePeru Date: Oct 27, 2008 2:45pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Who said it's not in the copyright office databses?

A film published in 1940 would have been up for renewal in 1968. The only way to check such renewal (i.e. pre-1978) is physically, by reviewing the records within the offices. Only records from 1978 are in the on-line Dbs; failing to find an appropriate record on-line does not mean it's fair game.